metrodriver
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3. Het bier blijft koud..........
Een raadplaat over waar wanneer hoezo waarom en wie
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San Antonio Sewer Pipe driver, correct!
"Take a close look at the images below. No, those are not drop tanks, they are beer kegs! This clever chap flew what had to be a very close contender for best fighter aircraft of WWII. His unit was stationed in France shortly after D-Day. He had some reason to return to England, then returned to France with some unofficial "ordnance" under the wings of his Spitfire. When he came down from altitude, his "cargo" was chilled to just the right temperature for a hot June afternoon. Needless to say, his aircraft received some of the best servicing work from grateful ground crews."
Chaseplane, your turn!
"Take a close look at the images below. No, those are not drop tanks, they are beer kegs! This clever chap flew what had to be a very close contender for best fighter aircraft of WWII. His unit was stationed in France shortly after D-Day. He had some reason to return to England, then returned to France with some unofficial "ordnance" under the wings of his Spitfire. When he came down from altitude, his "cargo" was chilled to just the right temperature for a hot June afternoon. Needless to say, his aircraft received some of the best servicing work from grateful ground crews."
Chaseplane, your turn!
Chaseplane.nl
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Bedankt BR. Ik ga nog even door op die versnaperingen, al vermoed ik dat een paar mensen al wel heel snel zullen weten waar ik het over heb.
Wat langer na D-Day, om precies te zijn een paar dagen voor de bevrijding van Nederland, hebben heel wat geallieerde bommenwerpers voedsel uitgegooid boven Nederland. Dit heeft een lokale traditie gezet, want jaren na deze voedselbombardementen werd er in ons land ook een team opgericht dat etenswaren uit vliegtuigen ging gooien.
De vragen hierbij:
1. Hoe heet dit team,
2. Wat voor etenswaren gooi(d)en zij uit hun toestellen?
3. Wanneer is men hiermee begonnen en hoe is het zo ontstaan?
Succes!
Wat langer na D-Day, om precies te zijn een paar dagen voor de bevrijding van Nederland, hebben heel wat geallieerde bommenwerpers voedsel uitgegooid boven Nederland. Dit heeft een lokale traditie gezet, want jaren na deze voedselbombardementen werd er in ons land ook een team opgericht dat etenswaren uit vliegtuigen ging gooien.
De vragen hierbij:
1. Hoe heet dit team,
2. Wat voor etenswaren gooi(d)en zij uit hun toestellen?
3. Wanneer is men hiermee begonnen en hoe is het zo ontstaan?
Succes!
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metrodriver
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BR, de reden dat ik daarop kwam was dat een aantal jaren terug ik voor een paar maanden naar Haiti vloog vanuit de Bahamas, met een metro uiteraard. Alle haitianen die terug gingen naar huis brachten emmers met vlees mee, die perfect in het (unpressurized, unheated) nose compartiment pasten en met het hoge gewicht bevorderlijk waren voor een goede w&b (en er kwam geen stank in het vliegtuig). En anderhalf uur op FL 230 betekende dat het vlees lekker koud aankwam, wat de klandizie zeer op prijs stelde.
Chaseplane.nl
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Een handje helpen dan maar? De uit te werpen etenswaren zijn een typisch Nederlands product . . .
taildragger
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metrodriver
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Wat is typisch Nederlands eten: hagelslag, boerenkool, hutspot, witlof, snert, bepaalde soorten kaas, drop.....
Brakes Released
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meel...
Chaseplane.nl
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Oke, het gaat om kaas. Komen jullie nou verder?
Chaseplane.nl
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Je hebt wel gelijk Imo, maar ik had een tijd geleden al de raadpraatjes geïntroduceerd. Hoe dan ook, bij deze toch een plaatje, want mijn opgave is nog steeds niet geraden. Het team in postzegelformaat:
Kom jongens, moet nu toch wel gaan lukken, hè?
taildragger
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'T spijt me CP, maar naar het schijnt weet niemand een antwoord op je vraag te geven.
Vrindje Google geeft ook al geen uitkomst.
Vrindje Google geeft ook al geen uitkomst.
Chaseplane.nl
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Nou, dan ga ik 'm maar weggeven. Heeft nog nooit iemand van jullie van onze eigen Edambusters gehoord?
1. Edambusters :duh:
2. Edammer kaas, maar wel aan een parachute
3. Van de website http://www.edambusters.nl/data/gb/edambusters.htm:
The story!
As one would expect, throwing things about is not amusing, and certainly not a mature pastime. Objects leaving aeroplanes in flight are generally considered to be very dangerous and only the military would do something like it because it is quite definitely a skilful and dangerous business. Because skill is involved, training takes the form of regular practice and eventually the training culminates in competition. That explains why a long time ago one could sometimes observe determined grown ups flying their kites over a toilet bowl strategically positioned at Gilze-Rijen AFB, making serious attempts to drop water bags in, or close to, this isolated target.
You now know why someone once suggested how a cheque could be presented to the RAFA Nursing Home ‘Sussexdown’ in a more aeronautically orientated manner. An unguided piece of paper, such as a cheque, leaving the aircraft that carried it, is not likely to easily find its way to the desk of the manager at ‘Sussexdown’. However, when it is attached to a parachute and released over the gardens of the nursing home, the chance of success is better, and it increases dramatically when a weight is added. Traditional Dutch items like windmills, tulips, wooden shoes were considered for this but eventually the Edam cheese was selected because of its composition and malleable weight.
In early years members of Gilze-Rijen Aero club flew remembrance missions and dropped Edam cheeses on the ‘Sussexdown’ lawn. Later the aero club of the Dutch charter company ‘Transavia Airline’ took over the honours. But in 1995 a group of amateur (private) pilots at Lelystad were trained in the art of formation flying by (ex-military) members of the “Fokker Four” demo team. They immediately afterwards took over the Edambusters duties with their motley collection of aircraft and now take part in ceremonial activities, mostly on the Dutch Remembrance Day (May 4th), the RAFA Amsterdam Branch’s Dutch Day at Sussexdown and in demonstrating cheese dropping at various air shows in support of the charitable aims of RAFA. As there is both a serious and a pleasurable element to the activities, one can also witness a responsible attitude towards flight safety and a relaxed atmosphere among the Edambusters as friends.
Tja, leuk stukje Nederlandse luchtvaarthistorie, maar niemand die het geraden heeft. Vrije vloer dan maar.
1. Edambusters :duh:
2. Edammer kaas, maar wel aan een parachute
3. Van de website http://www.edambusters.nl/data/gb/edambusters.htm:
The story!
As one would expect, throwing things about is not amusing, and certainly not a mature pastime. Objects leaving aeroplanes in flight are generally considered to be very dangerous and only the military would do something like it because it is quite definitely a skilful and dangerous business. Because skill is involved, training takes the form of regular practice and eventually the training culminates in competition. That explains why a long time ago one could sometimes observe determined grown ups flying their kites over a toilet bowl strategically positioned at Gilze-Rijen AFB, making serious attempts to drop water bags in, or close to, this isolated target.
You now know why someone once suggested how a cheque could be presented to the RAFA Nursing Home ‘Sussexdown’ in a more aeronautically orientated manner. An unguided piece of paper, such as a cheque, leaving the aircraft that carried it, is not likely to easily find its way to the desk of the manager at ‘Sussexdown’. However, when it is attached to a parachute and released over the gardens of the nursing home, the chance of success is better, and it increases dramatically when a weight is added. Traditional Dutch items like windmills, tulips, wooden shoes were considered for this but eventually the Edam cheese was selected because of its composition and malleable weight.
In early years members of Gilze-Rijen Aero club flew remembrance missions and dropped Edam cheeses on the ‘Sussexdown’ lawn. Later the aero club of the Dutch charter company ‘Transavia Airline’ took over the honours. But in 1995 a group of amateur (private) pilots at Lelystad were trained in the art of formation flying by (ex-military) members of the “Fokker Four” demo team. They immediately afterwards took over the Edambusters duties with their motley collection of aircraft and now take part in ceremonial activities, mostly on the Dutch Remembrance Day (May 4th), the RAFA Amsterdam Branch’s Dutch Day at Sussexdown and in demonstrating cheese dropping at various air shows in support of the charitable aims of RAFA. As there is both a serious and a pleasurable element to the activities, one can also witness a responsible attitude towards flight safety and a relaxed atmosphere among the Edambusters as friends.
Tja, leuk stukje Nederlandse luchtvaarthistorie, maar niemand die het geraden heeft. Vrije vloer dan maar.
taildragger
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Oooooohhhhh, holy sh*t !!!!
Maar natuurlijk had ik daarvan gehoord, echter nooit van z'n leven daarop gekomen!
Goeie!
Maar natuurlijk had ik daarvan gehoord, echter nooit van z'n leven daarop gekomen!
Goeie!
Chaseplane.nl
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1. Sakai (family name) Saburo (given name)
2. Mitsubishi Zero
3. Er valt veel over hem te vertellen - zie o.a. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saburo_Sakai. Maar ik denk dat je vooral doelt op het volgende huzarenstukje:
Serious wounds
During the air group's first missions of the battle of Guadalcanal, Sakai was seriously wounded in combat with Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless dive bombers from USS Enterprise's Bombing Squadron Six (VB-6). Mistaking TBF Avengers torpedo bombers, with their rear gunners, for American F4F fighters, near Tulagi Sakai attacked a TBF flown by Ensign Robert C. Shaw. Sakai fired 232 rounds at the TBF but with its armor, self-sealing fuel tanks and twin machine guns in the rear cockpit, the dive bomber proved a tough adversary. A blast from the TBF rear gunner, Harold L. Jones, shattered and blew away the canopy of Sakai's Zero.
Sakai sustained grievous injuries from the return fire; he was struck in the head by a .30 caliber bullet, blinding him in the right eye. The Zero rolled over and headed upside down toward the sea. Unable to see out of his remaining good eye due to blood flowing from the head wound, Sakai's vision started to clear somewhat as tears cleared the blood from his eyes and he was able to pull his plane out of the steep seaward dive. He considered crashing into one of the American warships: "If I must die, at least I could go out as a Samurai. My death would take several of the enemy with me. A ship. I needed a ship." Finally the cold air blasting into the cockpit revived him enough to check his instruments, and he decided that by using a lean fuel mixture he might be able to make it back to the airfield at Rabaul.
Rabaul, 8 August, 1942: A seriously wounded Sakai returns to Rabaul with his damaged Zero after a four-hour, 47-minute flight over 560 nautical miles (1,040 km). Sakai's skull was creased by a machine-gun bullet and he was blind in one eye, but insisted on making his mission report before accepting medical treatment.Although in agony from his injuries (he had a serious head wound [8] from a bullet that had passed through his skull and the left side of his brain, leaving the entire left side of his body paralyzed, and was left blind in one eye[9]) Sakai managed to fly his damaged Zero in a four-hour, 47-minute flight over 560 nautical miles (1,040 km) back to his base on Rabaul, using familiar volcanic peaks as guides. When he attempted to land at the airfield he nearly crashed into a line of parked Zeros but, after circling four times, and with the fuel gauge reading empty, he put his Zero down on the runway on his second attempt. After landing, he insisted on making his mission report to his superior officer before collapsing. His squadron mate Hiroyoshi Nishizawa drove him, as quickly but as gently as possible, to the surgeon. Sakai was evacuated to Japan on August 12, where he endured a long surgery without anesthesia. The surgery repaired some of the damage to his head, but was unable to restore full vision to his right eye. Nishizawa visited Saburo Sakai, while he was recuperating in the Yokosuka hospital in Japan.
Ook in de Nederlandse luchtvaartgeschiedenis speelt hij naast vijandige aas ook nog een andere opmerkelijke rol:
Early in 1942, Sakai was transferred to Tarakan Island in Borneo and fought in the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese high command had instructed fighter patrols to down all enemy aircraft encountered, whether they were armed or not. On a patrol with his Zero over Java, just after shooting down an enemy aircraft, Sakai encountered a civilian Dutch DC-3 flying at low altitude over dense jungle. Sakai initially assumed it was transporting important people and signaled to its pilot to follow him; the pilot did not obey. Sakai came down and got much closer to the DC-3. He spotted a blonde woman and a young child through the window, along with other passengers. The woman reminded him of Mrs. Martin, an American who had occasionally taught him as a child in middle school and had been good to him. He decided to ignore his orders and flew ahead of the pilot, signaling him to go ahead. The pilot and passengers saluted.
En tenslotte, voor wie Japans kan lezen: zijn boeken, gepubliceerd onder de titel "Samurai of the sky", krijgen op de Japanse versie van Amazon een bijzonder hoge score . . .
2. Mitsubishi Zero
3. Er valt veel over hem te vertellen - zie o.a. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saburo_Sakai. Maar ik denk dat je vooral doelt op het volgende huzarenstukje:
Serious wounds
During the air group's first missions of the battle of Guadalcanal, Sakai was seriously wounded in combat with Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless dive bombers from USS Enterprise's Bombing Squadron Six (VB-6). Mistaking TBF Avengers torpedo bombers, with their rear gunners, for American F4F fighters, near Tulagi Sakai attacked a TBF flown by Ensign Robert C. Shaw. Sakai fired 232 rounds at the TBF but with its armor, self-sealing fuel tanks and twin machine guns in the rear cockpit, the dive bomber proved a tough adversary. A blast from the TBF rear gunner, Harold L. Jones, shattered and blew away the canopy of Sakai's Zero.
Sakai sustained grievous injuries from the return fire; he was struck in the head by a .30 caliber bullet, blinding him in the right eye. The Zero rolled over and headed upside down toward the sea. Unable to see out of his remaining good eye due to blood flowing from the head wound, Sakai's vision started to clear somewhat as tears cleared the blood from his eyes and he was able to pull his plane out of the steep seaward dive. He considered crashing into one of the American warships: "If I must die, at least I could go out as a Samurai. My death would take several of the enemy with me. A ship. I needed a ship." Finally the cold air blasting into the cockpit revived him enough to check his instruments, and he decided that by using a lean fuel mixture he might be able to make it back to the airfield at Rabaul.
Rabaul, 8 August, 1942: A seriously wounded Sakai returns to Rabaul with his damaged Zero after a four-hour, 47-minute flight over 560 nautical miles (1,040 km). Sakai's skull was creased by a machine-gun bullet and he was blind in one eye, but insisted on making his mission report before accepting medical treatment.Although in agony from his injuries (he had a serious head wound [8] from a bullet that had passed through his skull and the left side of his brain, leaving the entire left side of his body paralyzed, and was left blind in one eye[9]) Sakai managed to fly his damaged Zero in a four-hour, 47-minute flight over 560 nautical miles (1,040 km) back to his base on Rabaul, using familiar volcanic peaks as guides. When he attempted to land at the airfield he nearly crashed into a line of parked Zeros but, after circling four times, and with the fuel gauge reading empty, he put his Zero down on the runway on his second attempt. After landing, he insisted on making his mission report to his superior officer before collapsing. His squadron mate Hiroyoshi Nishizawa drove him, as quickly but as gently as possible, to the surgeon. Sakai was evacuated to Japan on August 12, where he endured a long surgery without anesthesia. The surgery repaired some of the damage to his head, but was unable to restore full vision to his right eye. Nishizawa visited Saburo Sakai, while he was recuperating in the Yokosuka hospital in Japan.
Ook in de Nederlandse luchtvaartgeschiedenis speelt hij naast vijandige aas ook nog een andere opmerkelijke rol:
Early in 1942, Sakai was transferred to Tarakan Island in Borneo and fought in the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese high command had instructed fighter patrols to down all enemy aircraft encountered, whether they were armed or not. On a patrol with his Zero over Java, just after shooting down an enemy aircraft, Sakai encountered a civilian Dutch DC-3 flying at low altitude over dense jungle. Sakai initially assumed it was transporting important people and signaled to its pilot to follow him; the pilot did not obey. Sakai came down and got much closer to the DC-3. He spotted a blonde woman and a young child through the window, along with other passengers. The woman reminded him of Mrs. Martin, an American who had occasionally taught him as a child in middle school and had been good to him. He decided to ignore his orders and flew ahead of the pilot, signaling him to go ahead. The pilot and passengers saluted.
En tenslotte, voor wie Japans kan lezen: zijn boeken, gepubliceerd onder de titel "Samurai of the sky", krijgen op de Japanse versie van Amazon een bijzonder hoge score . . .
Chaseplane.nl
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Thank you. Ik ga zonder haast (want mooi weer) op zoek naar een nieuwe raadplaat. Mocht er iemand al een leuke hebben liggen: be my guest.
capt. Kebab
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Een tussendoortje dan maar. Welk toestel natuurlijk en de vraag van vandaag: Welke andere toestellen hebben deze slecht geproportioneerde vogel mogelijk gemaakt?
