Sandertje -
Sterker nog, ben een trotse Hollander in den vreemde.
Ok boys, FD tegen de rest van de klas part III
ter zaken:
Laat ik eerst eens wat vragen omdraaien.
1) Waar zijn de vliegtuigen gebleven die de gebouwen en het pentagon zijn ingevlgen 9/11 ?
2) waar zijn de passagiers en de crew gebleven?
Dit heb ik een tijd geleden op een ander forum gezet tegenover alle conspiracy freaks:
It's kind of funny that, if you pause the video on some of the supposed legitimate news paper articles and do a Google search on the opening paragraphs, you find they are articles written by the San Francisco Cronicle, sfgate.com, etc.
In one segment of the video, they quote Gregory Stephen, Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
Here is the quote as it appears in the video at 49:47:
"I saw low level flashes. [Lieutenant Evangelista] asked me if I saw flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I saw a flash, flash, flash and then it looked like the building came down."
Another quick internet search and you find the REAL transcript here,
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...50827030637180
Notice what they left out and took out of context to further their conspiracy agenda.
(We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with) Lieutenant Evangelista, (never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and) asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because (I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but) I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
All the words in red were conveniently left out of that quote. Ironic that this was also posted on a 911 conspiracy site, so they seem to be their own worst enemies.
I would like to add to all you members that I didn't even watch more than 30% of the video. The above findings were from me stopping and fast forwarding to parts that looked like suspicious attempts to create what the authors were after. I am sure that if I cose to waste my afternoon on this, I could further refute the rest of this pile of garbage.
To anyone even considering this as real, do some research as I did. You may find that the real conspiracy is the attempt to dupe you with out of context articles and sound bites, incomplete quotes, conjecture and supposition, and overall lack of evidence, knowledge, expertise, and information.
Remember, people used to think lightning was Zeus getting angry about something. Ignorance and paranoia are powerful things. Be careful what you chose to believe from the Michael Moore crowd.
Keep in mind you're talking about human beings - people with pasts, families, educations, experiences, friends, jobs, etc. When I say "human beings" I'm talking about all of the people that anyone thinks could be in on some kind of "9/11 Conspiracy." Think about it, how many people do you think would be required to pull of a conspiracy of the magnitude of 9/11? You're talking hundreds, if not thousands, of people to make something like this work. Do you know anyone, much less hundreds of people, who would do this kind of thing to accomplish whatever it is you people think "they" wanted to accomplish? The entire idea of a govt conspiracy is ludicrous. Remember, the govt is made up of people like you and me. This kind of conspiracy is freakin' IMPOSSIBLE to pull off, even if the hundreds of people it required actually had the will to do it, which is an incredibly unlikely possibility. Use your noggin's people. A 9/11 conspiracy doesn't pass a basic common sense test.
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En onderstaande heb ik al eerder op het PBB gezet :
Finally, some truth on Iraq. Since 2003, the anti-Americans of the world have repeated the mantra that the USA was allied with Saddam Hussein, helped him rearm, gave him all sorts of technology to build weapons of mass destruction, supported him during the 1980s, was indifferent to Saddam's genocide of the Kurds, etc etc.
Now that the Europeans and the United Nations have carried out their investigations it is proven that these were simply a shameless pack of lies.
German companies were deeply involved in the development of Saddam's nuclear program. A German court has determined that Walter Busse, Bruno Stemmler and Karl Heinz Schaab were the key consultants that Saddam Hussein's regime used during the 1980s. They had worked for subcontractors of the European nuclear program, Urenco. Iraq recruited these consultants through H&H Metalform, a German company. In 1999 a German court convicted Schaab of treason. The German government was alerted to the fact in 1995, when United Nations inspectors discovered documents in Iraq that detailed the German connection. Interatom GmbH, a Siemens subsidiary, was involved in providing key nuclear technology between 1986 and 1990. One of the last contracts it signed before being dissolved by Siemens in 1990 was for a nuclear facility in Iraq. Strabag AG, a major German construction firm, was to build the facility. In the late 1980s Inwako, the firm of German arms dealer Simon Heiner, sold 125 British-made ring magnets to Iraq's nuclear centrifuges.
The deepest involvement was by France. The French company CERBAG sold a dozen kgs of U-235 (highly enriched uranium) and built the Osiraq nuclear reactor from 1976 to 1981. The name "Osiraq" was a French idea, a pun on the words "Osiris", the Egyptian god of the dead, and "Iraq". Israel eventually bombed the facility in 1981.
Anti-Americans frequently cite the fact that in the second half of the 1980s the USA sold Saddam about $1.5 billion worth of equipment (mostly computers), but forget to mention that, over the same period of time, France alone sold Saddam about $5 billion worth of aircraft, missiles and armor. Even more missiles and tanks came from the Soviet Union. Why in heaven would one classify Saddam as a "USA ally" when the Soviet Union (the main enemy of the USA) was Saddam's main supplier of weapons? And France, not exactly the USA's best friend, was the second.
The USA has been widely blamed for starving the Iraqi people by imposing sanctions against Iraq during the 1990s (never mind that the sanctions were imposed by the whole United Nations, not just the USA). Some anti-Americans claim that up to 500,000 Iraqis were killed (the figure is ridiculous, given Iraq's population, but it's their figure). Now the investigation into the "oil for food" scandal is revealing why the Iraqis starved during the 1980s, despite a program that was supposed to buy plenty of medicines and food (more than neighboring Syrians ever dreamed of): it turned out that United Nations officials and friendly businessmen helped Saddam steal the money. The Times of London calculates that French and Russian companies received $11 billion worth of business from Iraq's "oil for food" program between 1996 and 2003. Even secretary general Kofi Annan's son, Kojo, was employed by Cotecna, a Swiss company, that was supposed to monitor the program and appears to have been deeply involved in the scam. An impressive list of western businessmen profited from the scam: Iraqi-American businessman Shaker Al-Khaffaji (who paid $400,000 to produce a film on Iraq by "peace activist" Scott Ritter, a former weapons inspector), British politician George Galloway, a staunch critic of Tony Blair's policy towards Iraq (whose organization was a co-recipient of 19.5 million barrels of oil), former French interior minister Charles Pasqua (12 million barrels), French tycoon Patrick Maugein, a strong supporter of Jacques Chirac's reelection campaign (25 million), former French ambassador to the United Nations Jean-Bernard Merimee (11 million), and even Leith Shbeilat, chairman of Jordan's anti-corruption committee (15.5 million).
Galloway's organization received money from a Jordanian benefactor, Fawaz Zureikat, the former chairman of Galloway's "Mariam Appeal", who took money from Saddam Hussein for a number of oil deals. The saddest part of this story is that corruption pays off. After using Saddam's money to generate publicity for himself, Galloway successfully ran for Parliament, defeating an honest politician at the elections. The honest politician is now unemployed while Galloway is a member of the British parliament. (In august 2005, Galloway traveled to Assad's totalitarian regime, Syria, and declared on tv: "Two of your beautiful daughters are in the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad. The foreigners are doing to your daughters as they will. The daughters are crying for help and the Arab world is silent. And some of them are collaborating with the rape of these two beautiful Arab daughters." He forgot to mention that Jerusalem was founded by the Jews, not the Arabs, and that Baghdad was founded by the Persians, not by the Arabs. Neither is a "daughter" of the Arabs. Both have been raped by the Arabs. Ignorance goes hand in hand with dishonesty).
The tragedy for the anti-war movement is that, no matter how many lies Blair and Bush told, the leaders of the anti-war movement appear to be much worse. Galloway said that the invasion of Iraq cost 100,000 lives. Maybe. But he forgot to add that his friend Saddam Hussein killed ten times as many (Kurds, Shiites, Iranians). He also forgot to add that Saddam's violation of the oil-for-food program (that he, Galloway, helped achieve) helped enrich a dictator while costing the lives of untold numbers of Iraqi children. The leaders of the anti-war movement are even less honest than the leaders they accuse of lying
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Back to you boys.
FD
(allicht een goed plan om hier:
http://www.ericisgreat.com/tinfoilhats/ het een en ander te bestellen)