Lion Air passenger plane crashes off coast of Bali

Kluvlieger

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Niet de eerste keer. Zou er een klein structureel probleem zijn?

Zie Aviation Herald.

Lionar B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, overran runway and came to stop in sea
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Dec 30th 2012, runway excursion on landing
Lion B734 at Pontianak on Nov 1st 2012, overran runway on landing
Lionair MD90 at Jakarta on Mar 9th 2009, departed runway on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 15th 2011, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
 

cpt-x

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Niet de eerste keer. Zou er een klein structureel probleem zijn?

Zie Aviation Herald.

Lionar B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, overran runway and came to stop in sea
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Dec 30th 2012, runway excursion on landing
Lion B734 at Pontianak on Nov 1st 2012, overran runway on landing
Lionair MD90 at Jakarta on Mar 9th 2009, departed runway on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 15th 2011, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing

8X overrun sinds 2010! Dit geeft te denken. Hoe vaak is het dan niet maar net wel goed afgelopen.
 

B767-300ER

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Slecht nieuws weer uit het Verre Oosten.

Heren Dames in de vliegopleiding. Bezint eer u begint bij deze maatschappij.
 

Sammetje

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Een vriend van mij heeft met de desbetreffende capt in merpati gevlogen. Wat hij tot nu toe heeft geboord gaat het om windshear op short final. Ze hebben de baan niet eens gehaald. De capt is lokaal de fo aan de naam te lezen uit india en de derde piloot instructeur komt uit nl.

Het zijn allemaal geruchten. Ben wel heel blij dat iedereen er goed vanaf is gekomen. Gelukkig geen doden en zwaarvewonden
 

19 of 77

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The real question is - why hasn't their AOC been suspended or revoked?

Any Western Airline with the record of Lionair would have been shut down years ago.
 

J.R.

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In Indonesië heb je vrienden en die zijn weer vrienden van hele andere vrienden en daar de familie van etc etc. Zelfs ik krijg een AOC als ik maar de juiste "vriend" heb.
 

metrodriver

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Geruchten gaan inderdaad over microburst / windshear op short final. Ze hebben een go-around geinitieerd maar dat bleek niet genoeg te zijn om er uit te klimmen. De vergelijkingen gaan op met de Delta L-1011 crash op DFW in de jaren 80.

Indonesische captain had 15000 uur, Indiase f/o 2000. Vliegtuig was 2 maanden oud.
 

19 of 77

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Just finished reading the report. They flew a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the sea.

Amazing nobody was killed.

I guess this answers my question in the previous thread about whether Indonesian Captains will make a go-around or not (20 feet is a little late imho).

The culture in this part of the World is not compatible with what is required to operate aircraft.
 

Final-Glide

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Anything lower than MDA whilst not visual, is a little late in my humble opinion..

Just finished reading the report. They flew a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the sea.

Amazing nobody was killed.

I guess this answers my question in the previous thread about whether Indonesian Captains will make a go-around or not (20 feet is a little late imho).

The culture in this part of the World is not compatible with what is required to operate aircraft.
 

Djanello

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Mis ik iets bij de gevlogen uren over de afgelopen periode?

PiC:
last 90 days: 297h8m
last 60 days: 20h51m

277 uur gevlogen in 30 dagen? De limiet ligt toch ergens rond de 110 uur?
 

Cpt Oveur

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Op een gegeven moment worden goedkope piloten dus toch een stuk duurder: Als ze je nieuwe vliegtuigen in de zee gaan parkeren.

Blij dat ik deze open deur even kon intrappen.
 

Koning Lucht

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Anything lower than MDA whilst not visual, is a little late in my humble opinion..

Agreed, however, the people that made the report aren't asking the right questions...

I think it is bloody obvious WHAT happened. (Pilots were not visual, approach continued, plane hits water) Those are only statements of FACT.

The real questions that should be asked, and preferably answered, is WHY did the PIC think he could get away with continuing the approach, without being visual? Or how much pressure was on the pilots NOT to perform a go around? What does that say about the safety culture in this airline? How is this going to improve? What about the SIC? Why did he not overrule the captain? Why did they not see the need to wait for 5 minutes until the shower had passed? What does THAT say about training (use of weather radar, and unfortunately common sense?) What about the recurrents? There are strong rumours that this company doesn't actually perform the recurrents, but just falsifies the documents. Has this been investigated? If I look at the hours flown before the crash, I find it hard to believe that these guys have actually flown these hours...
 

Jet Man

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277hrs in 30 dagen?! Dat is zo'n 9-10hrs per dag, uitgaande van 0 off days.. Ik wist dat de urengrens wat anders lag daar, maar dat lijkt me idd erg onwaarschijnlijk
 
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